by : Hugh Larkin
Matt: The lad is still idolised by many at Anfield but there are some who have viewed him with suspicion since the flirtation with Chelsea last year. We're a proud club with a tradition of valuing the team over the individual, so the way the Gerrard saga was dominating all media coverage of our side rankled with many, myself included. Match reports were often given over almost entirely to one player, regardless of his actual influence upon the match. Although Gerrard has never courted the media in the way that David Beckham did, his name began to dominate coverage of Liverpool, and the perception that he was bigger than the club threatened the relationship between the Captain and his supporters.
The lack of any real clarification has turned our supporters into the equivalent of the Kremlin watchers in Cold War days. Each expression, word and gesture has been pored over and analysed in an attempt to predict his mood and intentions. After reading so many articles saying that Gerrard had to leave to chase the 'big prizes,' there is a delicious irony that in nine days time he will be leading out the men in red to contest the biggest match in club football.
4) During the run to the Champions League Final, the controversial twin issues of a new stadium and new investment in the club have faded into the back ground. Any news or perspective on the proposed stadium development or new investment in the club?
Paul: Frankly, it's nice to be focusing on the football and not other issues. I have not heard of any progress on the investment front, but we are sure to hear more over the summer. The new stadium is going ahead, but it's hard to keep up with the appeals process once planning permission was granted last year. It's one of those things I'll only believe once work starts.
Matt: Rumours continue to surface but there is a noticeable lack of hard facts. There are political forces in the region that would gladly strong-arm the club into a groundshare but the club and its support are united against the plan. We're lucky that we have a board that truly support the side and understand that any notion of sharing is anathema to the Liverpool fanbase.
As someone who had long ago conceded the necessity of a new stadium, the wonderful nights at Anfield this year have given some pause for thought. Quite simply the atmosphere against Chelsea was the finest I, or virtually anyone else I've spoken to, has experienced. The move will probably have to be made but it will be tough to see the place go, the crowd seemed to fuse with the stands that night and become one chanting, singing force. The investment saga reached a climax with the emotional and tumultuous AGM in December. Steve Morgan made a bid for shareholder loyalty and Chairman David Moores seemed like a man who had reached the end of his resources. Since then there have been rumours of Arab, American, Irish and Asian investors but nothing concrete has emerged. The progress in the Champions League has helped to quell the demands for fresh investment, but the 30 points gulf between ourselves and the Champions suggests the topic will reappear if the summers transfers fail to impress.
5) Same question from the previous interview, with an additional five months data. What is your evaluation of the new manager Rafael Benitez? Favorite Rafa moment/move/decision? Oh, yes, any new opinion/comment on the author’s strange favourite, Pako Ayesteran?
Paul: I think it's clear that Rafa is a genius: two cup finals in his first season, working with a mixed bag of inherited players. The quality isn't there to fight on all fronts, but he has shown why he was so successful in Spain.
If Liverpool go on to beat Milan, it will mean that in just over a year he would have won both European trophies as well as the world's most-respected championship. To take a stuttering, faltering team to two cup finals in the face of devastating injuries, and with relatively little money spent (compared to Manchester United and Chelsea), tells its own story. Only Alex Ferguson, on one occasion, has taken an English club to the final of the European Cup in the last twenty years (since Liverpool's last appearance). But Rafa won't settle for such achievements. He wants more –– always more.
Favourite moment has to be the night before the Bayer Leverkusen game, when Rafa wandered into a bar full of Reds in Cologne. It cemented a special bond with the fans.
Still hard to say precisely what Pako offers, as his work is behind the scenes –– the ultimate decisions do not rest with him –– but he is clearly part of a team at Liverpool, along with Rafa, Alex Miller and Paco Herrera. Whatever praise Rafa gets, Pako has to take a share.
Matt: Even better than I first thought. Given that we have finished fifth in the league, below a team as limited as Everton one would have thought that Benitez would have drawn more criticism. The reality is that we have had the most appalling injury plan any red can remember and the manager has done brilliantly to reach two cup finals with a squad which is mostly not of his choosing. He's brought a noticeable improvement in the quality of the play and although our away form has been dire, Anfield has been a far happier place this year and has seen some outstanding performances. For example, both Arsenal and Chelsea were outplayed by
Liverpool this season which bodes well for the future.
If I have to pick my favourite Rafa decision I'll go for the moment when he took the superb but tiring Didi Hamann off and brought on Harry Kewell. The crowd were terrified, 3 years before Gerard Houllier withdrew Hamann in Champions League against Bayer Leverkusen. The Germans went on to win the game and many cite that moment as the point at which the Houllier regime declined. Now in a game of even greater importance, a Champions League semifinal, our new manager was taking a braver gamble. It was a bold, attacking move which gave our tiring players new options and forced Chelsea to guard against conceding another goal. Benitez was rewarded for positive thinking and the Liverpool crowd exorcised one of our personal demons.
Paco has apparently expressed a wish to sit in the Kop next year He'll certainly get a warm welcome. He keeps in the background but is always talking with Rafa, clearly a great trust exists between them.
SF: Personal favourite Rafa moment: The usher bear-hugging Rafa after Mellor’s game-winner at home against Arsenal, a visual metaphor for the great majourity of supporter opinion about Benitez at Liverpool. Although the oh-so-cool thumbs-up when Alonso scored the first against Arsenal in the same match and everything else was bedlam on the pitch and in the stands merits a mention as well.
Pako Ayesteran Looky-likey Contest, answers on a postcard to the mailbag at Squarefootball...
6) Imagine your picture held aloft, being carried about the streets in Cardiff trailed by chanting, laughing supporters. You are Rafa. What transfer moves do you make this Summer?
Paul: Sources in Spain suggest the club is already negotiating for the exciting young Real Betis winger, Joaquin –– but competition will be fierce, and Real Madrid remain favourites. Another young Spaniard –– Fernando Torres –– has been making positive noises about Liverpool. These two, like Shaun Wright-Phillips, are £20m players. Whatever Rafa's budget, it won't be much more than £20m.
A quick centre back appears a necessity, but then when you see Carragher and Hyypia perform so brilliantly as a partnership in Europe, it makes you wonder. Sami still has an abundance of class. It would need to be a special player to displace him. We're being linked with various keepers, but I'd stick with Kirkland and Carson.
Crystal Palace's Andy Johnson is an interesting English option, although I still wonder how he'd cope at a big club, under a lot more pressure, and being rotated. But he works hard and plays the lone striker role well. He could be a useful alternative to Ciss, Morientes and Pongolle if Baros leaves.
As well as established players, I'd like to see a few young prospects purchased, such as Palace's Tom Soares, who is winning rave reviews. I expect Rafa to unearth a couple of Spanish teenage gems.
Matt: We'll lose several players in the summer, the probable departures of Biscan, Hamann and Smicer will deplete the midfield. Baros appears to be leaving, which will mean a striker is required and in defence the aging Pellegrino will leave. There's also a goalkeeping problem, Dudek has regained some form but may never recapture the authority he displayed in his first season. Kirkland is injury prone and in his last appearances for the club failed to impress. Only the promising Carson is safe. I've seen some wild estimations of how much money is available, I think it will be £20 million at most, unless Rick Parry has sorted out some new income.
I'll want to buy a Goalkeeper, Central Defender, Central midfielder and Striker. Oh and we really need a winger as well. A left back would be nice too. Oh dear. The team needs toughening up so I'll buy Andy Johnson from relegated Palace - a speedy and tough individual he can play as a lone frontman or in a partnership - he's different from what we have at the moment and that’s key. I'll take scouser Kevin Nolan from Bolton as part ex in the Diouf transfer - a tough midfielder that loves the club, can score goals and
won't be kicked off the park by the likes of Robbie Savage or Roy Keane. For Central defence I'd look at Matthew Upson as he should be affordable. Three English players who can improve our away performances in the domestic game, goalkeeper is tricky because their aren't many good ones in our league. It appears we're signing Reina from Spain so I might as well follow suit, although I don't know the player. I reckon that lot might leave me with a few quid left over, perhaps enough for Stewart Downing’s left leg.
SF: Given Gerrard’s penalty struggles, perhaps Andy Johnson would be a wise purchase...
7) Second half of the season, since the first set of 10 Questions with Matt and Paul. Worse, better, or about what you expected?
Paul: Worse domestically, but far better in Europe. I expected the Reds to finish 4th in the Premiership, and make it no further than the quarter-finals in the Champions League. As it is, I wouldn't swap the two. Let Everton enjoy their brief moment in the sun –– the European Cup final is what football is all about. As Steven Gerrard said, you don't get a medal for finishing 4th. The European adventure this season has been truly memorable, and I'm fortunate enough to be going to Istanbul –– which, after all, was the whole point of qualifying for the Champions League, lest Everton forget.
Matt: Better, I'm going to the European Cup final
8) Over the entire season, which player was the biggest surprise in terms of his play? Biggest disappointment?
Paul: Xabi Alonso was the biggest surprise, simply because he wasn't well-known in England before his arrival. He is a 'proper' footballer who plays the game with his brain, at his pace. Carragher surprised at centre back –– we knew he could do a job there, but he has been simply sensational. And Steve Finnan improved most on his form from the previous season, although it only proves that players can take a year to settle at a big club.
My star from the first half of the season fell away somewhat after Christmas: Milan Baros has been poor ever since picking up a hamstring injury against Crystal Palace. He still caused the opposition problems with his running, and always works hard, but frustrated more than excited in the second half of the season. He needs a big game against Milan, but Ciss may get the nod, and after the horrific injury and his attitude in battling back, I hope it's the Frenchman who gets the nod, especially with Baros unable to buy a goal at the moment.
Matt: If I had to pick one positive surprise it would be the transformation in the Liverpool career of Steve Finnan. When Josemi arrived it looked as if Finnan would be leaving Liverpool, indeed a transfer to Everton alongside Traore was mooted. Instead Finnan has gone on to cement his place as the first choice right back, his performance against Chelsea was superb and he must now be considered one of the first names on the sheet. A remarkable recovery to what had looked like being a disastrous transfer, topped off with an excellent goal in front of the Kop in the West Brom game.
Biggest disappointment? Milan Baros, he's failed to recapture the stunning form from the start of the season and now appears disinterested and unmotivated. He remains a player of vast potential.
9) In your opinion, who should have been named Liverpool’s Player of the Season?
Paul: Jamie Carragher. Totally outstanding, and the bigger the game the bigger he appears physically. He was 8ft 3 against Juventus, and 9ft 7 against Chelsea. Gerrard was excellent in patches, and Luis Garcia's goals were a massive bonus. Xabi Alonso, if he'd not broken his ankle, would have pushed Carra closest. Steve Finnan was superb in defence all season long, although I still think there's more to come from him in the attacking third.
Matt: Jamie Carragher, by a country mile
10) Prediction hats on; how will Liverpool do next year in the Premier League?
Paul: Much better, with the new players a year wiser regarding the English game, and of course, the manager too –– as well as a core of quality additions, if Rafa buys well. But a lot depends on whether the team is in the Champions League or not. Beating AC Milan will not only make Liverpool even more of a 'scalp' domestically, it will mean fighting on two main fronts instead of one. While at Valencia, Bentez used mainly reserve players in the Uefa Cup (which he won ), whereas in the Champions League you need your best players. Being in the Uefa Cup would help our Premiership push, but of course everyone wants the Champions League.
However, being in the Champions League offers more money to strengthen, and more incentive to top European players. If the Reds beat Milan, while it will make Liverpool more of a scalp, it will also add a lot of belief to everyone at Anfield.
Arsenal are my favourites for next season, but I think it will be a close-run thing between the 'big four'.
Matt: I think we could break into the top three, the title would be beyond us. Benitez gives me hope, he's someone who learns very quickly. I've noticed that the performance of the team frequently improves after the half time break, suggesting that Rafa has spotted what needs to change. In a similar way I think having the benefit of a full pre-season, with more of his own choices of players and without the distractions of the Owen transfer and Gerrard's flirtation with Chelsea will give Rafa a chance to use his knowledge to the full. Hopefully the players will also be carrying the confidence that comes with the title Champions of Europe
Bonus Questions:
Paul: In 50 words or less, describe your upcoming project, Golden Past, Red Future...
Paul: It was intended to be a book documenting a club in transition, with the summer of 2004 being one of the most eventful in the club's history. But as well as looking at the recent history of the club –– the end of Houllier and the arrival of Benitez –– it has also turned, rather unexpectedly (and joyously), into a documentary of the amazing Champions League campaign.
More info at: www.paultomkins.com
SF: The author will be reviewing the book jokingly referred to at Red and White Kop as “The Tomkinomicon” for Squarefootball after its publication.
Matt: In as many words as you prefer, describe the challenges and rewards of moderating on The Independent Liverpool FC Website, Red and White Kop.
Matt: I don't think there's a better site on the web for a football supporter. I've certainly not found one and I've seen a few. Joining the moderating team was an honour really, the site is ran by fans who care very strongly about the club and the site itself. The site recently welcomed it's 10,000th member and passed the 1 million post number, to play even a small part in that success is both a pleasure and a privilege.
Banning people on a whim is simply the icing on the cake...
SF: Matt is having a little joke with that last comment. I think...It seems a surprise that this weekend’s clash at the Millennium Stadium will be only the second FA Cup Final fought out between the two clubs who top the charts for Cup triumphs. Arsenal have the chance to narrow the gap on United who boast 11 victories to the Gunners’ nine and this will be the 17th final for both teams.
The final tie will also settle which of the two giants has the edge because this will be the eleventh time the sides have been drawn together in the FA Cup and each has prevailed five times in the preceding ten encounters. The Gunners won the only previous final- the ultra-dramatic 1979 match- but United have given the Londoners a real going over in semi-finals, denying the Londoners a final berth in 1983, 1999 and again, last season.
With the increasing dominance of a few teams in the competition, matches between the two sides have now become far more frequent- this will be the third season in a row that the teams have faced each other and the third year in succession that the victor in this tie will also become the cup winners.
As expected their meetings tend to be tight affairs decided by the odd goal, with the exception of Arsenal’s resounding 5-0 success in 1937, which marked a period when Arsenal were by far the premier team in England. If history repeats itself, United fans can expect to be biting their nails to the final whistle because the Red Devils have never won one of the ties by more than a single goal.
Because the same teams keep coming back to the final these days, both teams contain players who are already laden with medals. Take those two deadly midfield opponents Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira for instance- the Frenchman is into his fourth appearance (and would have had a fifth in 2003 but for injury) but even that is dwarfed by his Irish nemesis, who will step out for his seventh showpiece and be looking for a modern record, fifth winners medal. Ryan Giggs too, will be after that fifth win from his sixth Final.
The managers are also becoming part of the furniture. This will be the seventh occasion when Sir Alex Ferguson has led a team out (a record of course), while Arsene Wenger will be on his fifth Cup Final suit himself. Wenger will be desperate for his team to see off United as he lost two of the previous three FA Cup battles with Ferguson, both semi-final defeats. He won’t need reminding that United ended his team’s interest in this season’s Carling Cup, although Arsenal didn’t play many recognised first-teamers in that match.
More and more we can expect the FA Cup to be effectively decided by the pairing of United and Arsenal at some point. Only two of the last 13 finals did not include at least one of the pair and for 12 seasons up to this year, Arsenal and Manchester United were the only teams to knock Chelsea out of the competition. Who was it that said these teams had lost interest in the FA Cup?