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Monday, 13 October 2008

Tottenham or Newcastle: Who would you prefer to go down?

Tottenham Hotspur and Newcastle United are two of the biggest clubs in the Premiership. However, they currently find themselves in serious trouble at the foot of the table and are in grave danger of becoming the biggest relegation casualties in recent years. Now I know they've only played seven games each and that there's plenty of time for them to turn it around but . . . if you could pick either of them to go down, who would you like to see in the Championship and why?

Now when I were a lad, unless you supported them, everybody hated Manchester United. It was just the done thing. But in recent years Sir Alex Ferguson's Red Devils have managed to shed that image somewhat and been replaced at the top of the tree by Chelsea. Roman Abramovich's millions, the arrogance of Jose Mourinho and behaviour of some of their top players have done little to endear themselves to fans up and down the country. However, not far behind the Premiership giants are Tottenham Hotpsur and Newcastle United, and the knives are out for both of them.

Let's start with Newcastle United. Under Keegan in the 90s they were a breath of fresh air and they were most fans' second club due to the way they played the game. But events at St James' Park have soured that feeling a lot since then. Despite guiding them to 2nd place in the Premiership and to an FA Cup final, Kenny Dalglish was hounded out of Newcastle, closely followed by Ruud Gullit, who committed the cardinal sin of dropping Alan Shearer. The former England boss and born and bred Geordie Sir Bobby Robson was next to step into the poisoned chalice and surprisingly lasted for five years. However, after a poor start to the 2004-05 season, and players publicly disrespecting his orders, Robson was shown the door. And I believe a lot of the hatred for Newcastle United began here. How could they treat a fellow Geordie and true great of the game so shabbily? However, worse was to follow. Souness, Roeder and Allardyce were also all hounded out of the club despite not being given suitable time to build their own teams and turn things around.

You also have the fact that they signed Lee Bowyer and Jonathan Woodgate from Leeds United following an incident involving an Asian student, Bowyer and Kieron Dyer bringing shame on the club by fighting on the pitch and then they signed serial thug Joey Barton from Manchester City. They also missed a golden opportunity to win back some respect by failing to sack Barton after being convicted of common assault and affray and sentenced to four months in jail.

Then you have all the hysteria surrounding Kevin Keegan. Most outsiders can't understand why somebody who has failed to deliver a major trophy at any club as a manager is hailed as a messiah. The way the fans reacted to his walkout in September was laughable, as were the protests against Mike Ashley and Dennis Wise, the so-called Cockney Mafia. And then to cap it all off, when they appoint somebody as a caretaker manager, after everyone else and their dog turning them down, Mike Ashley hired JFK, Joe F*^*$%& Kinnear - a manager who had been out of the game for four years.

But Spurs are not much better. Glenn Hoddle was sacked by Daniel Levy following a poor run of form and Jacques Santini replaced him only to quit after 13 games in charge. But when it looked like Levy had finally made the right appointment in Martin Jol, the Dutchman finished fifth in successive seasons, he decided to undermine him. Jol had tried to play down expectations of breaking into the top four by saying it wouldn't be so easy - much to Levy's disgust. That's when the rumours linking Ramos with White Hart Lane began and started to impact on Tottenham's performances on the pitch. Jol was a dead man walking and most neutrals couldn't believe that Tottenham, a club with such fine footballing tradition, would treat a manager in that way.

Then you have the over expectations of a large proportion of the fans who constantly claim that this is going to be the year that they break into the top four. The way they reacted after their Carling Cup victory over Chelsea was also OTT in most neutrals' eyes, which is made even more ridiculous by their calls to get rid of Ramos after a few games of the new season. The fans have also come in for a lot of stick recently following their treatment of former Spurs defender Sol Campbell.

Both Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur have ideas of grandeur. Whether rightly or wrongly, the fans believe that they should be challenging for the major honours, but they are not prepared to wait for it - they want success as of yesterday. They have to have a reality check and realise that Rome wasn't built in a day. Look at Manchester United. Sir Alex Ferguson struggled badly after moving down from Aberdeen but the Old Trafford board refused to panic and boy have they been rewarded for that patience. It looks as though Tottenham and Newcastle could pay the ultimate price for their pursuit of success by dropping through the Premiership trapdoor. But if you could choose one of them to go down, who would you love to go down and why? We'd love to hear from you.

COMMENTS

Chilly

I'm a Newcastle fan so obviously i'm going to say Spurs, I don't think either of us will go down though.

Nolberto Beardsley

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Id be suprised if the writer of this had actually spent an hour North of Watford. He should take some time out and actually spend some time in the city, he would then find out what it is that makes fans in the Toon tick.

No grandeur involved. We just want what's best for our club.

Seeing it dismantled for a profit by succsessive fat cats is not what we want. Any fan of ANY team would react in a similar manner.

Brad

Pointless article, cant believe i actually bothered to read it 1 /10 must try harder.

Dave

I'd rather see those smug Geordie mugs go down. I don't care either way but I think Spuds, even though they're doing rubbish right now, have the quality to pull themselves back into European contention, but Newcastle will struggle all season.

Non story - based on one (man's?) opinion. What about whingeing Arsenal, zero football Bolton, or the arrogance of Liverpool?

Shaun Bach

I must admit, apart from this article being written with a very childish purpose in mind, the logic you use is completely flawed. Here's one example: How can you critisize Newcastle for not giving Sam Allerdyce (Among others) a chance, when you then critisize Newcastle United for signing Joey Barton.

Secondly, this statement by you: " Both Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur have ideas of grandeur. Whether rightly or wrongly, the fans believe that they should be challenging for the major honours, but they are not prepared to wait for it " .

If the Idea of supporting any team, doesn't have the objective of wanting them to win and gain success, then please can you define what the term "fan" really means. Why don't you write a much more appropriate story with the headline "Colin Illingworth: Does he have a brain? or should he be sacked?" I can guarantee that you would get far more responses.

One last thing, your statement, "Whether rightly or wrongly, the fans beleive that they should be challenging for the major honours, but they are not prepared to wait for it " now please could you explain where exactly you get your facts? Because you are stating the above as if it were fact. I don't think that Tottenham Hotspur, or Newcastle United fans are as stupid as you have described them, and how could they be?

I think that any true fans (regardless of which club they support) can see that this article has been written in a very unfair and unprofessional manner

kgm

It was Arsene Wenger & Jose Morinho who tipped Spurs for a top four finish, not the fans,and the gutter press who each season first echoes and then derides supporters who have never espoused these views. Spurs fans just want what most fans want, something to cheer and be proud of.

BEYETHEGREAT

NEWCASTLE FANS DONT EXPECT TO BE CHALLENGING FOR MAJOR HONOURS AND I DONT KNOW IF SPURS DO BUT YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHY A LITTLE BIT WHEN LAST SEASON THEY WON A TROPHY(CARLING CUP) WHICH TEAMS SUCH AS LIVERPOOL CHELSEA AND ARSENAL DIDNT THEY SPENT BIG IN THE SUMMER ALSO YOU SAY THE WAY THE FANS REACTED WAS A DISGRACE THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH LIVERPOOL AND THIER MANAGER WAS STILL THIER AND MAN U FANS DIDNT EVEN GIVE THE GLAZIERS A CHANCE AND EVEN FORMED A NEW CLUB I WOULD AGREE MANAGERS DESERVED LONGER EXCEPT FROM SOUNESS WHO SPENT BIG AND INSTEAD OF IMPROVING WENT BACK OVER

smithio

I don't want to see Newcastle go down. Depite the pantomime and some of the scum players they've had on their books I think the Premiership needs northern clubs (I've always classed Man Utd as Middle - try dividing England geographically into 3rds: North, Midlands, South). I also don't think they have huge delusions of success. When I've worked with Geordies in the past they only want to be entertained for their cash. That's the reason they love Keegan, but had no time for Souness, Alladice, Dalglish etc.

Ross

I would prefer to see Tottenham go down, purely for the way that they sacked Martin Jol when he was doing a good job at the club. Justice would be done in my opinion.

name

"most neutrals couldn't believe that Tottenham, a club with such fine footballing tradition, would treat a manager in that way."

Most neutrals are hypocrites who whine about negative "I don't want to beat a top 4 team" Jol but say nothing about the far worse, and far less justified, treatment of managers like Claudio Ranieri, Jose Mourinho and Avram Grant.

"Then you have the over expectations of a large proportion of the fans who constantly claim that this is going to be the year that they break into the top four."

Provide proof.

"The fans have also come in for a lot of stick recently following their treatment of former Spurs defender Sol Campbell."

Yes how dare we give stick to someone who repeatedly lied to us, walked out on a free transfer and joined our hated rivals and earned lots of millions out of it. *rolleyes*

"Both Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur have ideas of grandeur."

Provide proof.

"They have to have a reality check and realise that Rome wasn't built in a day. Look at Manchester United."

You just answered your own ridiculous statement. Every time we try and build a team, the likes of Manchester United, aided and abetted by the scum media, come in and illegally tap up our players FFS!

The bottom line is that there are only 4 clubs deserving of relegation and they are Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool.

Why?

Because of:

Their arrogance
Their illegal tapping up
Their contempt towards referees
Their disregard of the rules
Their whining when something goes wrong
The behaviour of their fans, players and managers
Their turning European competition into a everlasting monopoly by introducing the league format so they are very unlikely to be knocked out early
And, most of all, for the good of the game!

to the writer of this artical. absolute rubbish. nothing to do with behaviour of fans. it's the media that create so much disgust and controversy. get a fucking life!

nickynicknick

If they don't pull together as clubs then they both deserve the drop. As a Gooner I would prefer the Spuds out of the way, but seeing the Geordie 'faithful' labouring away in the Championship would also bring its own reward.
If either team go I can easily see them doing a Leeds special and imploding.

Dan

I’d happily see them both go down to be honest. Spurs fans rely on the past and their previous success, and constantly moan and whinge about the team – even when they’re doing well.
Newcastle fans are just delusional about the esteem with which everyone regards their “fantastic” support. When I made the trip up there St James’ Park was no louder than the Highbury Library, that was despite them taking the lead. It’s the Geordies that are delusional. They think Newcastle has an automatic right to be challenging for honours because they have a nice shiny stadium. If Ashley hadn’t upset the messiah and drafted Wise in, he’d be a typical representation of a Geordie fans – who buys a club without asking for due diligence and not realises he’d have to pay the mortgage on the ground.....

Daniel

Another useless article with no substance at all. Newcastle fans are similar to Spurs in the way that they've both been let down by figureheads at the club, and both want success (what club in the country doesn't?).

Rich

Yes Spurs fans did feel after two 5th places they should have pushed on last season. However, the top 4 challenge this season was a myth of the press. Spurs fans had their reality check last season. This is a case of build 'em up then pull 'em down. I have never seen a club get such lousy treatment as Spurs have this season. As regards the supposed popularity of ManU, you live on cloud nine you prat. The arrogance of the top 4 knows no bounds. In answer to your stupid question, Spurs basher, neither of these clubs will go down.

Mart

NickyNickNick - are you thick! Spurs and Newcastle will never do a 'Leeds special' as you put it. You obviously dont know much about football, or how much profit either club makes. Tottenham are one of the riches clubs in the world, and they dont even play CL football.

Happy Col

Has to be NUFC for all the right reasons.

1. It would allow the club to cull the over paid and frankly uninterested and underachiving players, allowing the club to rebuild itself from scratch.

2. It would allow all the post KK (first coming) Toon Army to show they can get gates above the 15K average they managed last time the club were relegated.

3. It would give all us Red and Whites a chuckle too.

Archie

Sh@te article!!!
Your obviously a supporter of one of the sky four!!!

A Quiet Fan

What we all need to remember here is that the press put these forums up so they can post there own personal comments and hatred to certain clubs.....look at Andy Grey of Sky - If you aint Chelsea or Man Utd then you are a poor team?

Wake up and smell the coffee, the reason we love our teams is that we are all local lads and lasses who have pride in our teams and area. If the gutter press want to keep bringing us all down to there level then great..............lets not read this crap.

Try and be more positive in what you write.....lets face it there's enough dispair, hatred, murders and financial collapse on the daily news to make us feel bad about what sort of country we are living in without you writing even more crap to make us feeling even worse.

Kon

Both will not go down.

marky

AS A SPURS FAN I WOULD HAVE TO SAY NEWCASTLE BUT TO BE HONEST I DONT WANT THEM 2 GO DOWN EITHER.I AM SO P... OFF WITH SPURS A THE MOMENT NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE A PLAYING SO BADLEY AND PROPPING IN THE PREM BUT THE WAY JOL WAS TREATED SICKENS ME.GOOD LUCK TO HIM NOW HE MUST BE LAUGHING HIS NUTS OF SITTING PRETTY IN THE GERMAN LEAGUE. HAVE A GOOD LONG LOOK MR LEVY.

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